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#1 jeremy

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Posted 11 April 2003 - 11:31 AM

Yesterday I started hearing strange rattle/whistle from what I think was the turbo. It increases with revs, whether driving or idling, also at 70-80, a slight hesitancy and occasional excessive exhaust smoke. Seems to me like a turbo related problem, unless of course anyone knows better...

It's booked into the dealer to investigate - I'll post the outcome. Honest John on the Telegraph Motoring website mentions a May 2002 recall for VINs starting 392xxxx for a Turbo pipe and/or eratic (erotic?) performance.

Mine's a April 02 HDi Exclusive in Mauritius Blue with a Superchip upgrade to 110 bhp. B)

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Posted 11 April 2003 - 11:41 AM

Hi jeremy,
Hope you get the problem sorted.Out of interest where did you get the 110bhp upgrade and how much was it? How much is the performance improved. We are thinking of upgrading to 110bhp. B)
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Posted 11 April 2003 - 01:09 PM

Mine's a April 02 HDi Exclusive in Mauritius Blue with a Superchip upgrade to 110 bhp. B)


Hope you get problem sorted. I'm interested to know what effect the chipping will have on Citroen's willingness to honour the warranty as I'm thinking of chipping ours and the warranty is my main worry. Good luck.

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Posted 11 April 2003 - 01:18 PM

Strange rattle/whistle from what I think was the turbo. It increases with revs, whether driving or idling, also at 70-80, a slight hesitancy and occasional excessive exhaust smoke.

May 2002 recall for VINs starting 392xxxx for a Turbo pipe and/or eratic performance.

Mine's a April 02 HDi Exclusive in Mauritius Blue with a Superchip upgrade to 110 bhp. B)

Yours sound like a classic example of this recall, also you may well hear a hissing where the Turbo Pipe has come adrift. Quite easily rectified by the dealer re-fitting the pipe but moving the retaining clip further along the pipe. Your mpg should reduce drastically too if this is the problem / source.
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Posted 14 April 2003 - 12:08 PM

Thanks guys. The Superchip upgrade was 400, and is definitely worth doing for improved performance, mpg about the same, unless you use all the extra ooomph, in which case it's 1 or 2 mpg worse. Superchips advertise in most mags, especially Diesel Car, mine was done at Hillingdon, but they have people elsewhere.

Not sure about the effect on the warranty. Superships rewrite the ECU programmes and so there is no visible evidence of any altering. I doubt a Citroen dealer would interogate the ECU to establish if it had been altered. I had a slipping clutch changed under warranty with no problem (don't think the upgrade was related - clutch problems are not unheard of with PSA HDi engines, apparently). Other upgrades are available, I had a Webcon 'add-on box' previously on a VW Sharan - visible, but there was no problem with VW (frequently) honouring the warranty for engine problems.

Joe Blunt, about the recall, it was supposed to have been done, maybe it has now undone itself? Will let you know what they find.

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Posted 07 May 2010 - 12:03 AM

Yesterday I started hearing strange rattle/whistle from what I think was the turbo. It increases with revs, whether driving or idling, also at 70-80, a slight hesitancy and occasional excessive exhaust smoke. Seems to me like a turbo related problem, unless of course anyone knows better...

It's booked into the dealer to investigate - I'll post the outcome. Honest John on the Telegraph Motoring website mentions a May 2002 recall for VINs starting 392xxxx for a Turbo pipe and/or eratic (erotic?) performance.

Mine's a April 02 HDi Exclusive in Mauritius Blue with a Superchip upgrade to 110 bhp. B)


I have the same problem with a VIN 389xxx. Were they affected? Hopefully it,s something that simple and not a new turbo job...

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Posted 07 May 2010 - 01:44 PM

I have the same problem with a VIN 389xxx. Were they affected? Hopefully it,s something that simple and not a new turbo job...

Hi i have similar problem..white/greyish smoke coming from exhaust, also whistling noise, recovery guy said could be turbo, other people reckon crack in turbo pipe..can anyone pls tell me if it is pipe as i cant afford a new turbo..ihave a xsara pic 2.0hdi. cheers

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 09:11 PM

hi,

my turbo blew big style 2 years ago, emptied the entire oil sump through the exhaust, the smoke was incredible! new turbo fitted and a service cost over £600!
no problems until....

got a pic 2.0 hdi, just failed mot on smoke - not surprised it was real bad!!!
spent the weekend seeing what i could do, changed the fuel filter - found a pipe not connected properly to the top of the filter. changed the oil and filter, put some smoke stopper in the oil, half a tank of biodiesel hey presto! fixed.
only thing is, the turbo now whistles, think it's the smoke stopper i put in the oil as it was very thick.

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Edited by Stunbuzzard, 28 September 2010 - 09:15 PM.


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Posted 29 August 2012 - 03:39 PM

Hi, I think I also have a turbo problem which I described previously here but got no reply.

Basically, I started to notice some hesitation/lack of power on my XsaPic 1.6HDI (110) from 2004 (49k miles). I've plugged it to a neighbours machine and got the fault P0238.

The turbo is dirty with soot and releases a small amount of black smoke at high revs.

Do you think the turbo is the problem?

Thanks in advance for your replies.

A photo of the turbo can be found here: http://www.flickr.co...tre/7871281740/

Edited by jmaster, 29 August 2012 - 03:46 PM.

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 01:12 PM

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 03:45 PM

I had a C3 1.4HDI, same engine layout, smaller bore, its turbo had oil film and muck on the same attachment bolt as yours. The dealer had it back under warranty and they replaced the 'o' ring that is between the turbo and the flange and the flange bolt. It was not a problem after that. My later 1.6 HDi C£ and my current C4 1.6 HDi Picasso have suffered the same way.
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Posted 31 August 2012 - 07:43 PM

Were you also getting some hesitation accelerating / lack of power?
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 07:12 AM

I really don't recall it was back in 2004 that this occurred. Sorry, this was taken after it had been fixed.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 08:28 PM

Took the car today to a garage (not specialised in Citroen). The mechanic couldn't hear anything wrong with the turbo. He said it sounded quite healthy.

When asked about the soot he said it was the EGR valve. And recommended me to use a tank of VPower and push the car while using that diesel... That should do the trick he said!

Not really sure what to do... From one side the engine behaves well apart from the intermittent lack of power ~50mph. On the other hand, why the P0238 fault and the soot?

I forgot to mention the car has been mostly used in the city. Maybe this helped to create some clogging in the egr...
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Posted 22 August 2013 - 05:13 PM

This spring I tighten the injectors and, coincidence or not, after doing around 1.5k miles the hesitation disappeared.

 

Do you think this is just a coincidence?

 

Anyway, I really recommend you to check the nuts holding the injectors in the 1.6 HDI. The ones in my car were quite loose and I read in other forums that this could cause a number of problems.


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