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Posted 22 May 2019 - 05:08 PM

Hi,, thanks

have removed gearbox on my 2006 1.6 16v petrol xsara picasso,

have ordered all bits to replace clutch,guide, bearing etc  but think i may have damaged oil seals front and rear where driveshafts go into box, one has circular spring type washer hanging out of it, presume this sits within seal normally, search facility on here doesnt appear to work and trawling through threads i cannot find any part numbers or links to get the right seals,

can anyone give link or part numbers



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Posted 22 May 2019 - 08:00 PM

If you can extract it without too much damage, find your nearest 'Bearing Services' [or similar] branch, they should be able to identify it and provide replacements, they stock all manner of bearings, bushes, seals etc


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Posted 24 May 2019 - 07:07 AM

Had a measure of my 2 seals and have ordered these 2 seals should anyone else need them, will replace them soon and update if any problem ,pretty sure they will be the ones

 

 

https://www.ebay.co....872.m2749.l2649

 

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Posted 29 May 2019 - 06:38 PM

Have fitted oil seals and they were correct


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Posted 13 June 2019 - 04:52 PM

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Finally after doing belts and servicing ,put wheels back on  and moved car to check clutch etc,

smoke from engine bay !!

It turned out to be gearbox oil leaking from the nearside drivshaft oil seal on the transmission,

when looked at from below you can see a tiny band of shiny steel as if it isnt driven 'home' properly,

it also isnt locked in place,if you disconnect ball joints etc you can move it by hand in and out,with a big loss of fluid

the seal and splined shaft look good..

BUT

should there be any sort of circlip or retaining clip on the shaft that locks it in the fully engaged position thus stopping any leaks????

there is a groove as the splines start om the smooth shaft and appears to be a matching groove within transmission housing.

if there should be a circlip i cant see it in the haynes pics ..

Can anyone enlighten me and provide link to buy one if i do need a circlip/retainer.

thanks

 


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Posted 13 June 2019 - 05:28 PM

If you have to work on gearbox you can take out driveshaft without disconnecting it from hub,

Just release your 3 joints  swivel/droplink/steering

Then reverse a quickclamp and use it push your strut away from gearbox, you can then pullout inner end of shaft and manouver it out of way,in my pic iv'e removed wishbone to replace it

 

 

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 08:29 AM

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Finally after doing belts and servicing ,put wheels back on  and moved car to check clutch etc,

smoke from engine bay !!

It turned out to be gearbox oil leaking from the nearside drivshaft oil seal on the transmission,

when looked at from below you can see a tiny band of shiny steel as if it isnt driven 'home' properly,

it also isnt locked in place,if you disconnect ball joints etc you can move it by hand in and out,with a big loss of fluid

the seal and splined shaft look good..

BUT

should there be any sort of circlip or retaining clip on the shaft that locks it in the fully engaged position thus stopping any leaks????

there is a groove as the splines start om the smooth shaft and appears to be a matching groove within transmission housing.

if there should be a circlip i cant see it in the haynes pics ..

Can anyone enlighten me and provide link to buy one if i do need a circlip/retainer.

thanks

 

 

On the few cars I've worked on, there has usually been a circlip holding the shaft in - hence the need to bang it out.....    Sounds like yours has pinged or fallen off.



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Posted 14 June 2019 - 11:28 AM

IIRC where a clip is fitted a groove is machined almost at the end of the splines, so I do not think you have lost a clip.

That seal just does not look right to me.

You need to get into Citroen Service Box and do a search using your Vin no. It's free! Hopefully someone can jump in here and advise on the procedure- I've forgotten.


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Posted 14 June 2019 - 12:39 PM

have checked on peugeot service manual same engine no clip shown, the seal is definately right, kept the old seal so went and looked and found dimensions printed on inside, all the same as my new one, dont forget there is a bit of grease and gearbox oil on my pic, fwlt with my fingers and no damage to new one, shaft didnot seem to lock fully home when i fitted it thus leak , but surely the rubber seal is not all that locks it ??? or is it ?? if so maybe ive driven the seal in a tad too far for it to seal on groove on shaft by shoulder on inner end ???

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 01:14 PM

The few drive shaft seals I have fitted all only needed drifting until level with the ally casting


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Posted 14 June 2019 - 02:20 PM

thats what i did, so still unsure as to why not sealing, goi g to have anothe go at it , if no joy will buy another seal and try again, fingers crosse

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 08:22 PM

I have learnt from bitter experience to go genuine on critical parts- especially oil seals. 


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Posted 14 June 2019 - 08:59 PM

if anyone can get into citroen service box and confirm left hand gearbox oilseal is 40x58x11.3

it would be appreciated thanks

 



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Posted 14 June 2019 - 09:29 PM

if anyone can get into citroen service box and confirm left hand gearbox oilseal is 40x58x11.3

it would be appreciated thanks

chassis number    VF7CHNFUC25869962

or someone tell me where to find citroen servicebox

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Posted 15 June 2019 - 10:37 AM

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This may help. It is from your vin. It would seem the 2 seals are different.


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Posted 15 June 2019 - 11:50 AM

Service box here-  http://service.citro...pages/index.jsp

 

Can't remember exactly how to register- but basically change to english then make up a trade name


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Posted 15 June 2019 - 03:29 PM

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This may help. It is from your vin. It would seem the 2 seals are different.

40- 58-10 is the  nearside one

(the other is the offside which is smaller)

The strange thing is the same size came up when I checked against the same engine in my Peugeot servicebox

But the one I took out of the car was definitely 40-58-11.3

which is what I replaced it with and was on the checklist of cars it fitted on the sellers site,it was also corteco which is the oem I believe.

as I have the wishbone of for renewal I am going to replace the seal again and opt for the 40-58-10 ,

will be a pain if after I put it all back together it leaks again , but time will tell...………..



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Posted 15 June 2019 - 03:32 PM

Service box here-  http://service.citro...pages/index.jsp

 

Can't remember exactly how to register- but basically change to english then make up a trade name

It gives you an option to register as trade or private individual,

which option and why please !!

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Posted 15 June 2019 - 04:39 PM

Service box details- we need someone else to clarify.

Wishbone is a minefield- got one in the post today off ebay for the  Xpic- new and complete with bushes and ball joint. 24 squid all up.


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Posted 15 June 2019 - 05:13 PM

Service box details- we need someone else to clarify.

Wishbone is a minefield- got one in the post today off ebay for the  Xpic- new and complete with bushes and ball joint. 24 squid all up.

£23.49 is the fleabay one I am looking at, but, until driveshaft oil seal is re done I am holding off buying !

on the part numbers searches are coming up with both 40 58 10 AND 40 58 11.3 for oilseal caught between devil and deep blue sea at moment